eyes wide shut who was the masked woman

What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? Take another listen. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. > Take another listen. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. It was a party nevertheless. I actually had to look that up. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. No comments. So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. <<<<<<<<. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Please either stop or> shape up. That is a possible explanation. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. He wasn't positive. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. WebEyes Wide Shut. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, >> "I know.">. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? Same voice. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. I found them both disappointing. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). ", "I saw her body in the morgue. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Crumb Eye. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. andpleading with her to take off her mask? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Orgy? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. >What else could he call it? People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. ". That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. Put on some headphones and listen. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! <<<<<<< mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? ANSWER. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. at the ceremony/orgy. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." He discovers an underground sexual group and attends one of their meetings -- and quickly discovers that he is in over his head. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Statanic mass? Before warning him, the 1. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. Desire is always Other. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?"

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