Along with the svelte carbon frame, that helps to reduce the total bike weight to as low as 16.2kg, creating a potentially worthy adversary to the Specialized Levo SL. Simply enjoy what you are riding and watch the world, I should say, e-bike world, pass you by, as they are here to stay and while they are not perfect they are probably the best and most exciting thing to happen to the bike industry in 50 years! Mkay? Now well point out here that the Bosch Gen 4 motor exhibits a similar metallic clacking noise, since its internal gear system also employs a clutch. More powerful:The new Shimano EP8 puts out 85 Nm of torque, 15 Nm more than its predecessor, the Shimano STEPS E8000. "Unquestionably, Shimano has the cleanest and sleekest display integration on the market". Shimano's EP8, short for DU-EP800, features a higher maximum torque of 85Nm compared to the older E8000's 70Nm, topping it by an extra 21%. Just remember to manually unpair your phone from the bike before you start riding again, as the motor wont engage while the system is paired to the app. Improving performance on undulating terrain, Shimano has also increased the EP8s available torque at lower cadences. Weve noticed this while pedalling along forest double tracks and on the road to and from the trailhead, but its also apparent when sprinting along faster sections of singletrack. That rattling feeling comes from one way bearing. For a mechanic, mechanical noise is a no-no by the end of the ride Id be destroyed mentally! What can consumers expect to happen if their EP8s spindle fails? However, we couldnt get the display to pair with our Wahoo ELMNT Roam head unit. The clicking sound has no effect on the function or durability of the drive unit. So that would include rocks, hops, trackstands but also sudden boosts from a standstill. It also depends on the bike too. The most prominent reports of EP8 axle failure exist on two EMTB forum threads. For a lighter pedal feel than the E8000, the one-way bearing has reduced its rotational resistance, creating a free play. Its also given us plenty of opportunity to identify all the little quirks, while getting a better impression of long-term durability and performance. Both bikes were fitted with e*thirteen cranks. I can only hear any motor rattling when I am doing really gnarly rocky downhill. The updated Trail mode is brilliant, and the option to fine-tune each assist mode is a welcome feature for achieving the desired feel while maximising range. Alex Evans is BikeRadars senior mountain bike technical editor. Still, the performance in the adaptive E-MTB mode is excellent, with smooth and flexible power delivery, and riders wanting plenty of grunt will certainly dig the Bosch motor. I also have a YT Decoy with Shimano E8000 motor. Along with the EP8s magnesium casting, heat sinks and polished logos, it affords a classy look not an easy feat for an e-MTB. In comparison, you can get a Polygon Mt Bromo N8 with a Shimano EP8 motor for $7,899 AUD. February 22, 2021. Also the bikes will be heavy as f*ck with an 820Wh battery. That's worse to, because 20kg dead weight doesn't contribute like 20kg of normal, muscle-laden body mass. Shimano said August was the best. Maximum Torque This allows you to limit the maximum torque, with 10 levels of adjustment from 20 Nm to 85 Nm. I have the EP8 on a Commencal Meta Power. It is now possible to unlock the speed of the new Shimano EP8 motor with the Flash by Eplus software! Bikers Edge in Kaysville Utah hooked it up and took a motor off their demo heckler mx and put it on mine. I have never posted a comment here on pinkbike, however this article in particular is hitting a nerve. We asked Shimano and e*thirteen for comment on the spindle cracking issue. Along with the new EP8 motor, Shimano has also released a larger 630Wh battery, which seems to be the most popular option at the moment youll find it inside both the Canyon Spectral:ON and Merida eOne-Sixty. No, not at all. Uh oh, another one E-triggered. Others will tell us the EP8 is a weaker motor. Non-recommended 3rd party cranks can make a crack in the spindle because the difference in design from Shimanos crank causes increased stress around the spindle hole. (7000km ridden so far). An e-Mtb allows me to ride farther, and more often and smile from beginning to end, not just the downhill sections! My local rides average 30-35km with just under 1km of climb. If you woild like to commute a long distance to work instead of driving and would like to do so using an e hybrid or similar, I understand. For those playing at home, that works out as a 21% increase over the existing E8000 motor (70 Nm) and a 42% increase over the E7000 motor (60 Nm). That said, wed prefer if there were more metrics displayed on the main screen to begin with, so you could ditch the GPS altogether. Stay tuned, as well have an Orbea Rise test bike arriving very soon. Overall very pleased with the bike and the motor. Under this condition, with each ride the crack can expand, and this can result in a spindle breakage.. This will be a far more accurate method for determining your estimated range. Seeing if anyone else out there has had problems with their EP8. Additionally, Shimano produces a smaller and lighter 504Wh option, which is also cheaper and helps to bring the complete bike price down see the sub-$8K Polygon Mt Bromo N8 for example. The EM800 display features built-in Bluetooth and ANT+ wireless connectivity for pairing both your phone and a compatible GPS head unit, allowing you to display information such as battery life and remaining range. At 52+ lbs, you're going to be using that motor every pedal stroke. As much as I want an emtb right now, I am waiting until the technology is perfected. We haven't really got an opinion about durability. Don't worry: "Every time you start your pitchfork, it resets into 'no stab' mode. As well as being smaller, lighter and more efficient, the new EP8 drive unit also packs more punch with up to 85Nm of torque, bringing it up to speed with the latest power plants from Bosch, Yamaha and Brose/Specialized. By their own standards of non-assist components, this motor is not worthy of the shimano name. That is not the case, but all cranks should be checked for proper tightness before riding, and initial installations procedures should be updated, reads TSB 156. I read a similar story around christmas on an other forum. The maximum rider support was raised to 400%, compared to the E8000's 300%. Im the worlds biggest ebike fan & I quite agree. One note on range Shimanos range estimation is not reliable. Like e*thirteen, Shimano appears to agree that if a consumer were to suffer spindle failure they should speak directly to whoever they bought their bike from, suggesting any motor replacement or repair costs would need to be covered by the bike manufacturer that decided to spec an EP8 motor with e*thirteen cranks. It is a feature bro, the sound of pure class. Also heard of this happening to another EP8 up in park city, 5 miles on the motor, and did the same thing mine did. I found this beauty as an example: The reviewer weighs 55kgs. This speed may be enough, but some people may find it very frustrating because from 25 km/h they have to make a gigantic effort to follow their teammates since the assistance is cut off or simply because they want to go faster. That's it, no recall, but I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. Drive Unit Display Assist Switch Battery Drivetrain Tackle steep climbs and tough trails with full confidence thanks to 85Nm maximum torque. A kilometre later that estimation dropped to 14km, then not long after to 9km, then to 5km, before the motor automatically switched into emergency limp home mode. I can concur with the range, it's not as good as I expected. Good thing with Shimano is warranty,at least here in Madrid is almost instantaneous. Indeed Specialized actually built the new Levo around a mullet setup with a 27.5in rear wheel, in order to shorten the chainstays. I think Shimano is taking these issues very seriously. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: The Real Bike Weights from PB Editors. LEARN MORE Latest stories View all stories Over the past six months of riding, the Shimano EP8 motor has really impressed us with just how much punch it delivers from such a lightweight and compact package. There's 21-percent more torque (85 N/m total) in Trail and Boost modes. If consumers use the recommended cranks, there should not be any issue this combination meets our strict and exacting quality standards. The three EP8 bikes weve tested all have sub-440mm rear centre lengths, which is quite a bit shorter than the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+ with its much bulkier Yamaha motor, for example. Yeah, that's pretty poor! Weve ridden the latest Bosch Performance CX Gen 4 motor on a variety of e-MTBs, including the Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 and the Trek Rail. Their heckler had complete battery failure, the ship date for a new one is close to the motor ship date. Bikes sent in for testing are usually carefully prepared by brands to pick up any assembly issues, and then are checked before testing by in-house mechanics or the testers themselves. Shimanos overarching advice is for consumers to only use Shimano-approved pedal cranks on its EP8 motors. People know you're not running some old E8000 or E7000 motor. I've spent some time on this motor and it's one of the first to feel organic in the way it adjusts to the rider's pedaling. Shimano advises that only approved crank arms should be used with its DU-EP8 drive units, reads Shimanos statement. there are no additional ports on the SC-E5003 to connect the switch with. Great for climbing, on the descents the weight changes how I ride, not better or worse. It's a powerful unit with a huge reach, but it has a little problem: it rattles when riding downhill or, simply put, there is no power on the pedals. - Lightweight and small form factor In the bulletin, e*thirteen states it stands by its products and is confident that our pedal cranks are not the source of the issue. Sometimes that means a DIY fix and other times it can mean a recall, software update or part replacement by a dealer. You still have the three basic assist modes: Eco, Trail and Boost. Same with brose 2.1 & their motor failures. The fact that the EP8 motor uses the same mounting points as the old E8000 motor means there are a few bikes out there that were anticipating will be updated with the new motor like the Norco Sight VLT and Range VLT. Meanwhile, e*thirteens response places the ball firmly in Shimanos court. Pros - extremely quiet Cons - annoying rattling noisesums up 2020! I have ridden ebikes great fun,addictive, you gain some things , but lose some things as well, like all bikes a compromise. However, where the Bosch Gen 4 feels like a diesel engine at low RPMs, the sporty EP8 drive unit still prefers spinning at a higher cadence. With the new EP8, Shimano managed to close the gap to its biggest competitors. With 21% greater torque than E8000, the EP8 motor delivers substantially more punch on the trail, and it feels more usable too. While the EP8s performance on the climbs is generally excellent, we have occasionally wished for a little more overrun for clearing technical features. Yeah but who needs all that power? I swapped wheels but didn't realize I had to swap the magnet from the rotor bolts that was connected to the speed sensor in the software. Also did some trail work. Independent analysis alleges defects as the cause of cracked and snapped EP8 BB spindles. Its clear why this motor is becoming popular with so many bike brands, given the flexibility it offers frame designers, particularly with the variety of battery options on offer. The freewheel is still in the (regular) rear hub so when you're not pedaling, nothing in the motor-bottombracket assembly should be moving, isn't it? First revealed to the world in September of last year, Shimano EP8 finally arrived on the e-MTB scene as the successor to the very popular Shimano E8000 motor. Chuckle. IMO Shimano bikes are good,but they are 2 steps down compared to Specialized and Bosch. Hitting those famous tracks day in, day out for eight years, he broke more bikes than he can remember. I have to admit some of the comments make me laugh out loud while others score some points for being helpful and based on fact, not hearsay fiction. No mention on the worldwide recall of the motor due to issues? The Brose Mag S motor has been used in the Specialized Levo and Kenevo since 2018, though it was recently updated for the release of the new Levo. Shimano says it provides up to 350-percent support (in Boost mode versus the E8000's 300 percent). Commencal which has sold a number of its Meta Power electric bikeswith an EP8 motor and e*thirteen crank combination replied to our inquiries. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is, the 471.5mm rear centre on the Giant Trance X E+, that achieves the most discreet integration, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo. I feel like I've been missing out on so much! VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The way the 2.2 motor smooths out un-smooth rider input is very impressive, giving it the most natural feel on the trail of any full-power motor weve tested. Anyone knows what's are those white (ish) shoes the reviewer is using on some of the pics? But please don't anyone kid themselves that it's as much of a work out as an analogue bike, if there was no mechanical advantage over analogue what would be the benefit. The Shimano EP8 RS motor, the key to the experience. Though the new EP8 motor is claimed to be more efficient than its predecessor, there is of course more power too. Does Shimano know why the spindles are snapping? "- Only five power bars for charge level.". Click on a component to learn more. At my age 69, if it isn't fun, exciting, and challenging, count me out! It doesn't feel good. 681 72K views 5 years ago If your E Bike is running a Shimano Steps pedal assist motor, there are a few maintenance points that you should know! Why don't you just make 10 be the top number and make that fully charged? Sell it to me, bet ya cant specially at a respectable 90 keys. Let us know what those are so we can demand them! As to how the de-tuned EP8 motor performs? And more power requires more juice. In comparison, the MasterMind TCU display on the new Specialized Levo offers a significantly more customisable and overall user-friendly experience. Along with a new larger 630Wh battery option, plus updated hardware and software, Shimano certainly hasnt held back with its much-anticipated return fire on the highly competitive and fast-moving electric mountain bike market. There is zero stickiness at the pedals that we could detect. I haven't had the privelage to ride any bosch equiped bikes or other shimano bikes but this thing is so quiet I think it would be hard to find another ebike motor that is more silent. Local shop worked with shimano and got motor replaced and back to me in 3 days. Wed much rather see battery life displayed as a percentage, and the option to customise the screen. Alex is also a regular on the BikeRadar YouTube channel and BikeRadar podcast. Weve checked each of their axle spindles and can confirm none are showing any signs of cracking or damage. This adjustment has the biggest impact on the motors performance and your total range. We will have them soon available in all our subsidiaries (Canada, USA, Chile, Australia, NZ and Reunion Island) to reach all our customers worldwide.. And that's with the big heavy battery too. The compact size and a magnesium casing helped cut 300 grams. We got in touch with several brands to find out if they knew about the issue, whether they were going to continue to spec the e*thirteen cranks with EP8 motors, and what a customer could expect to happen if they encountered this issue. I'm sure a dynamo can be integrated somehow with the hub rotations without causing a lot of drag. We need to go deeper. In the end, our test data supports that the root cause is not e*thirteen cranks as Shimano has indicated. The MasterMind TCU head unit on the top tube is also as good as it gets, with a sharp and clear, but unobtrusive display that reduces clutter on the handlebars. - Available on a wide-range of different e-MTBs, - Clacking noise can be annoying However, all are fitted with Shimano cranks. Not everyone has the time to grind for an hour up the climb. If there is no threadlocker patch, move onto point 2c. Wait until you see how much work it takes to replace rear derailleur housing! There are no reported cases of spindle breakage of DU-EP800 when assembled with Shimanos cranks. Then theres the BT-8035-L battery, which is a 504Wh battery that shares the same physical dimensions as the 630Wh version. Stab happy!". Ive only charged 2x. After downloading the free E-Tube Project app, youll need to turn the bike on and pair it with your smartphone. We see some comments about how bad the Shimano EP8 motor is. What a misstep by Shimano to join Bosch in its failure. Its worth noting that Bosch motor is only compatible with Bosch battery options though. This occurs if the cap is not correctly tightened or the factory-fitted threadlock hasnt been adequately applied, and if the crank arms pinch bolts arent tightened to their correct torque. The actual mechanism works well but is very easy to break, just turn the allen key the wrong way by mistake..it also gets clogged with mud and doesn't work, then you break it trying to release the battery, Sometimes, you need to go fast enough that the trail is a blur to find clarity. When we make fun of others, its because we are not happy w ourselves. Sign in to manage your newsletter preferences. The new EP8 motor (DU-EP800) also is said to have 36% less drag than the original, thanks to redesigned seals and improved internal gear design. e*thirteen is one of the biggest OEM suppliers of cranks on electric mountain bikes. Did some rides on a scott e-genius 920(2020) and my biggest one I did was a 115 km with 2000 meters of ascent ,19 km average speed,all in the eco mode and riding some rocky terrain with some tarmac ,fire roads ,very mixed terrain ,and I did got impressed with the power and the range ,didnt got me so tired on the legs its most a cardio ,but dont put more power on them and no more battery capacity,cause it wil make them almost a dirt bike :-((. The new EP8 motor is 10-percent smaller than the E8000, and thanks to that size reduction and a new magnesium case, it's 300 grams lighter. Perfect? the rattle it because the sprag bearing that used to be used in most motors has been replaced by DT swiss style star ratchet drive rings. Smaller:Compared to the previous model, the EP8's volume has been reduced. It was one of the most fun bikes to ride. Take note of how much elevation you achieve during those rides (elevation is more important than distance when determining range), and keep that number in mind when youre planning future all-day epics. In addition to the challenge of having remaining battery life displayed as five bars, the range estimation tends to drop quite quickly during the final two bars. If speed and maximum power output is less of a concern though, switching into the factory Eco mode is a sure-fire way to get more ride time expect range to double from those figures above. Yes, we understand how and why spindle breakage may occur when some non-Shimano cranks are used with our DU-EP800 drive unit. To replicate field failures, we had to look outside of the required ISO and EN testing requirements as those tests were passed successfully. You can hear it in the workshop just by lifting the rear wheel and dropping it on the ground, where it sounds a bit like a loose pebble bouncing around inside a wooden box. Also a big improvement over the prior motor is that the EP8 freewheels easily, so on flats or downhill you can blast away without motor resistance. Damn, sorry to hear this especially since I own the same bike! It is the most underrated comment ever on the pinkbike. If in doubt about such components, we recommend speaking to your bicycle manufacturer.. SHIMANO STEPS EP8 Left Switch Unit for Assist VIEW PRODUCT Cycle Computer SC-EM800 EP8 Cycle Computer VIEW PRODUCT SC-E5003 SHIMANO STEPS Cycle Computer with Assist Switch (SD300 port) VIEW PRODUCT Speed Sensor EW-SS302 Disc Brake Speed Sensor (SD300 type) VIEW PRODUCT EW-SS301 SHIMANO STEPS Disc Brake Speed Sensor for EW-SD300 VIEW PRODUCT I'm not an ebike hater - but (you knew it was coming) - I can't ever see myself being able to justify the expense of one and I wouldn't like to risk a second hand one. The newly shaped buttons on the EM800-L switch unit provide a nice tactile perch for your thumb to quickly flick between those settings. We recommend only Shimano cranks for usage with our drive units. This is particularly noticeable on traction-poor climbs, even when starting from a standstill. On my e8000, my impression was (now on a Trek Rail w a Bosch gen 4) that if you were at two bars, you were really at one, and if you were at one, youd better be a couple of blocks from home. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Quote Start New Topic Post a reply to: SHIMANO EP8 - won't turn on (new bike) Appreciate the level of detail in this article, good work. Gear or similar. I despise young people buying ebikeswhat a bunch of lazy. According to Shimano, the EP8 motor offers a 36% reduction in drag over the old E8000 motor, and were inclined to believe that claim. if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do, we charge it up to 11. The question of what happens with this combination is for the manufacturer of that combination to answer.. I'm honestly flabbergasted that people complain about it tbh lol. As expected, the new Shimano EP8 motor gets a hefty boost in power, with a claimed maximum torque output of 85 Nm. These motors have Cadence sensors as well as torque sensors. The lowest setting sees the motor responding slower to your pedalling inputs. Shimano's EP8, short for DU-EP800, features a higher maximum torque of 85Nm compared to the older E8000's 70Nm, topping it by an extra 21%. Start with a full battery, select the Trail mode, and see how far you can go before you run out of juice. It's like a dirt bike with a 15 mile range. Save 30% + G-Form Pro X3 Knee Pads when you subscribe to MBUK magazine. When we see failures like this, it is incumbent on us to find the root cause and, if it is within our control, provide a resolution, reads e*thirteens statement. For riders scoping out bigger rides than that, youll want to consider dialling down the Assistance Character to improve efficiency. If you have a problem you can reapair it very quick. Plus integration looks like shit on those Nox bikes. In the higher settings, the motor will deliver maximum power without you having to pedal very hard at all. The cause is due to the difference in design from Shimanos crank, which causes increased stress around the spindle hole.. Maybe in a next generation they can implement an optional solution analog to what we're already seeing f bicycle chains. Already have an account with us? However, you do pay for all that refinement and integration. And compared to E8000, the new EP8 motor is considerably more powerful on the trail, whilst retaining the smooth and intuitive delivery that weve always dug about Shimanos drive units. Still, that clutch design means it is impressively drag-free beyond the cutoff point. Rattling noise, you've seen (or heard) any of the Semenuk RAW100 videos? No, but the best on the market IMO. I find the author of this article is overly picky. All e-Bike assist mode gets disabled during the downhill slopes. Its considerably bulkier than Shimano EP8, dominating the Levos frame profile while also putting limitations on rear wheel clearance. Where the EP8 motorisnt quieter than its predecessor however, is when youre not pedalling. @tomdesoals: Yeah, I get that now that bikes have become more silent anything new that makes noise can become annoying. I'm 56 with a long term knee injury. According to the TSB, only Shimanos EP8 motor is affected. The brand told us it was aware of the spindle issue and has been in contact with both Shimano and e*thirteen about it. 3. Wowzers! Alex moved to Morzine in the French Alps at 19 to pursue a career as a bike bum and clocked up an enormous amount of riding. If that fails check those thin cables have no freys and are all in tact, they are easily damaged. Quick everyone, it's another article about e-bikes grab the pitchforks! And in terms of backup service and support, the fact that there are far more Shimano dealers than there are Specialized dealers may also be preferable for some riders. Environmentally I think they're a disaster as well - rare earth elements in the batteries for one thing. Our drive units are not tested for use with third party crank arms.. Looks like Rocky(Dyname), Giant(Yamaha) and Specialized(Brose) are in for 2021 and Shimano and Bosch are out. Just kidding! Subscribe from just 13.50 and get a Lezyne Pocket Drive Pump, worth 29! With that said, all my riding is tough climbs and steep descents, without an e-bike would be walking up a bunch of it. This is a real review with details and pros and cons. "but since I have to hit the small button repeatedly when my battery charge becomes critical on some rides". Now, we're not going to be working on the actual. It's kinda frustrating. Again, shift it down one notch at a time to get a feel for the change. The Purion controller is vastly simpler and easy to read, but it looks cheap and its bulky, making it an awkward fit with brake and dropper levers. 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