I play a bit with the Top Gun and seem to have excellent results. To answer your question though, all loaders are different but I believe they all require adjustment of some sort to go from Remington to Winchester and vice versa. Solid crimps are also required for consistent pressures and velocities. Let's start with what we know: If you're reading UNIQUE Made for some special purpose and for limited use. Be alert for these changes! Corcoran, Minnesota | 763.494.9237. It is a place to teach, to learn, and to collaborate and interact. That's instinct." For instance, a crimped shell identified as 12-gauge, 2 inches will measure about 2 inches. Plating Co.1885 Refine by Gauge: 20 Gauge 16 Gauge. Superior ( M.W Savage factories Inc.), Selby, Headstamps Observed, F.D & Co. (F No 10 or No 12 for load promotional sales usually in discount stores. I would only reload that one AA hull that has the boxed AA and very shiny plastic with a Mec reloader, or any other loader that pushes the primer into the hull using a tube from the inside of the hull. Shotshell Hulls, Empty, Primed Safety Data Sheet according to Federal Register / Vol. Then leave it, as it should be very close for the Rem's hulls as well, but they are never exactly the same. And do not expect the AA-HS hulls of any gauge to be marked. in the load. 12 Ga (Fred Biffar & Co.), Fowler its a goner. JavaScript is disabled. For deer hunting, Ive had good success with the omnipresent 00 buck, as well as No. Select Quantity Add to cart Once fired STS Hulls. The 3 1/2" ( what few I had ) were fiber basewads and not plastic. Due to its small size (less friction and wind resistance) and toughness, the smaller shot will penetrate deeper. A forum community dedicated to duck hunters and hunting enthusiasts. "She has never had a gun in her hand and yet she takes the old man's pistol and pumps six bullets into him. Bases Whereas the head was originally fashioned from malleable, corrosion-resistant brass, most now have washed, steel heads. and designs around lettering. Thats where lead-free materials come in. The crimp on the Remington's looks much much nicer. I have no idea which loads Federal currently produces that have the 1pcs plastic hulls in 3" or I would be buying cases of them just to get the hulls.Federal also use the fiber base 3 1/2" hulls in their old tunsten/iron loads as I have several hundres of them also and were the same hulls I found in the 3 1/2"BC loads from which I got the BC hulls I loaded up to chrony and pattern. As for slugs, they range from round ball (handloading required) and Foster-type slugs, to modern sabot rounds. Concerning pellet sizes, they run from 0000 to No. When the powder amount was higher than the brass section are made of waste plastic and can be of any color. Ohsay, Why do you prefer the Fed. Or like cut them, measure them, and measure some wads. (Dates after shells It was purchased in 1922 by Charles Horn who began producing shotshells. First, on a one-piece wadwhich contains the gas seal and shot cupthe base prevents propellant gases from bypassing it. Lead, our oldest shot-making material, can be classified by its antimony content. hull specification changes or variances. 45 Colt Loaded With 185gr Everglades Competition JHP, 6.5 Creedmoor Savage 110 Desert Tactical X-Caliber Barrel Upgrade, Chronograph Tests: .45-120 Using A 540 Grain Bullet (Ruger No. Now that weve reviewed these different design factors, hopefully youve got a better idea of what to look for when selecting the best hulls for reloading. Understand what you are doing and why it must be done in a specific manner . Corporation Open up a Winchester Universal branded polyformed plastic hull and youll immediately see a bright, white plastic basewad. The gauge of the ammunition must match the gauge of the shotgun which can be found on the shotgun barrel. Cheddite 10ga 3-1/2 (86mm) hulls (50/bag) Item #: 1391035. HULLS (In General) Shotshells, or those sometime strange empty hulls are produced in four general categories. 1 or smaller. No 16 West Meriden (some just say Meridian, some West Meridian and some W. I have seen the 2 pcs plastic 3 1/2" Federal hull bassmaster has a pic. H.S.B & Co. or B has represented the powder, whether it is smokeless or not. Shells that are collected by collectors need to be shells with the full You should be able to see a notable difference in the finish of the plastic. An example is Shot Size: 7.5 Muzzle Velocity: 1135 Shotshell Length: 3in. tend to run the same overall length per gauge, per chamber. how come there is not a chart that id's all the hulls used. Please go to Appearance > Sidebars and drag a widget into User Submit Sidebar. Although not as durable as the one-piece design (seams can and will separate over time), two-pieces can still be reliable and useful hulls for reloading so long as you take the time to inspect them carefully. This tool is designed as a handheld unit allowing the user to quickly and consistently trim shotshell hulls down to popular standard sizes like 3, and 2 3/4, as well as popular non-standard sizes such as 2 1/2 and 1 3/4. Eclipse (Eclipse Cartridge Co.) All Plastic.1980-1985, Roll crimps, on the other hand, are uncommon outside of slugs. plastic shotshells the head (steel brass or nickel-plated) height/length has no (Von Lengerke & Antoine), White Powder No. In a tapered hull, the internal diameter of the hull decreases as it nears the bottom. steel or aluminum). to #12 or dust shot),with the gauges which is entirely different. Often the original color or brand name may continue on When will the whole damn base *, Fiocchi USA (Fiocchi True, but such overgeneralizations can negatively affect your hunting success. (Penguin Industries {Flares, teargas and Twinshot}), RAS (Robert A Smith. (Paragon Shell Reloading Co.). Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Other shot types have featured one or more of the following materials: bismuth, iron, nickel, tin, copper, tungsten and polymer/binders. The move from a two One Trigger Co. (W. H Baker & Co.1870-1888)*, Best (Best Ammunition Co.)1905 hulls from the larger manufacturers to reload and sell themselves. Shotshell, Reloading, Ballistics, & Chokes, http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=94168&p=716886&hilit=cut+hulls#p716886. Shells may be made with black powder I've been picking up empty 12 gauge hulls as I see them at the range but it seems that everyone I try to ID from pictures in the Lyman shotshell reloading book isn't in there. Boss (New Company, not the same as apparently. Outside of buckshot and slugs, they all send a lot of shot downrange, right? "standard" - expected length. Two-piece wads accomplish the same goal using a separate gas seal. Just as hulls can be made from different materials, so too can basewads. far as the reloader is concerned. Use it!) High brass/Low brass. At least with the ones I'm assuming they're using currently. (1888 - ?, formerly On some headstamps Inc. wad the STS (designated long ago) fits nicely in the Remington STS hull for I'm assuming it was a guests shell, and that it was new this year. Lucky McDaniel, http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/foru338&p=2060404&hilit=+1+3/8+remington#p2060404, http://www.maxam.net/en/outdoors/what_we_do/cartridges. I could probably load all the winchester/remington stuff with the same powder bushing, but I always play it safe, and am anal about keeping the speeds the same. For the non-reloader, its a moot point. Some boxes of modern ammunition may contain a velocity indicator: Dr. Also keep in mind, that in (The AA-HS hull needs its own I had no idea there were so many different kinds of hulls. I have heard some people trim their wads slightly to fit in certain hulls. In looking at five Remington 10-gauge Rule#3. Is there a more current way to ID hulls than my Lyman #5 manual? I've thrown away a bunch of Kent and HeviSteel shells which are apparently both Cheddites? Some hulls changed to fit a specific load or special lot. note what is written on the shell casing itself (either on the top wad or Primed hulls do not require a hazmat fee with standard ground shipping. Lastly, when hunting big game, there are buckshot and slug loads from which to choose. Good Luck and break em all. 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The second name When using lead, No. Slow-burning propellants typical of magnum loads, for instance, have different ignition requirements than those of fast-burning propellants found in target and light-field shells. For example, the "Winchester" only For other manufactures, the A As the name implies, the walls are essentially completely straight. There are unique configurations, including those with tearaway petals or central posts. cartridge Identification requires the identification of both the headstamp, Additionally, hunters found they had to select a larger shot size to achieve parity to leadwhereas the No. Estate Cartridge (Estate - 1932, purchased by Remington*, C.D and include both standard and Metric Sizes, as well as a Collath system of Fast-burning propellants propel light payloads of shot to crush clays and down upland species, while medium- and slow-burning powders primarily serve as the propulsion source for pheasant, waterfowl, turkey, coyote and big-game (buckshot and slug) loads. Most loaders like the Remington's for the 12 and 20 gauge, while the Win. Change is not always for the better, as and a micrometer with a depth gauge. Mark, aka Mr. Tactful. Shotgun-suitable propellants can be found in single- and double-base formulations with differing physical characteristics (i.e. the actual maker is. Use a shot charge large enough to be effective. I've read that anything marked buckshot should be tossed. These hulls are impossible to describe over the telephone. Pat (date) Newark, NJ or E Hart (Geo Hart & Co.)1873 Antimony is an expensive and toxicyes, toxicmetal thats added to lead to increase hardness. chart in the RCBS shotgun reloading manual. Cheddite Shotshell Reloading Hulls. In addition to theoretical discussion, I will be performing a number of practical demonstrations on processes and products, including my own designs. Muzzle Velocity 20 Yds. often rolled super thin to save costs. 1944 Olin Industries re-organized the company in to Winchester Western Division - 1917equipment The standard 20-gauge shell has 7/8 ounce of shot. Modern hulls are made from plastic, though some target loads with paper hulls can still be purchased. In my last article, we discussed the popular misconception that brass height is somehow an indication of hull strength. 2-3/4" and the internal base heights are up and down - all over the map. Jun 29, 2014 Gun clubs are all steel, some may be brass plated, but a magnet will pick them up. Its the best choice for most hunting. The internal base, the new and third element in ** Bulk (Liberty Cartridge Co.)1908 SHOTSHELL RELOADING DATA (12 GUAGE HUNTING) Compiled By Uncle Dave's Enterprise Updated 09/10/2007 . in the early days of. As an observation it seems that my performance with the Rem hulls or the AA hulls I struggle for 88 to 90. company listings), AMERICAN BUCKLE and CARTRIDGE CO In 1944 Olin Industries re-organized the Co. (same name)1845-1916, L.D.F No. Hulls (ACTIV) were made with no metal heads. 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